Flynn: People Ask If I Am Upset With Trump, The Accountability Lies In The Obama Administration
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On Date December 3, 2020
LOU DOBBS, FOX BUSINESS HOST: Last Wednesday, President Trump pardoned General Michael Flynn, after years-long persecution of the general.
The White House stated this in giving him a full and unconditional pardon: “General Flynn should not require a pardon. He is an innocent man. Even the FBI agents who interviewed General Flynn did not think he was lying. The prosecution of General is yet another reminder of something that has long been clear. After the 2016 election, individuals within the outgoing administration refused to accept the choice the American people had made at the ballot box and worked to undermine the peaceful transition of power.”
The general and his family were gracious in their expressions of gratitude, saying — quote — “The Flynn family is grateful to President Donald J. Trump for answering our prayers and the prayers of a nation by removing the heavy burden of injustice off the shoulders of our brother Michael with a full pardon of innocence. We thank President Trump for recognizing our brother’s sacrifice in this battle for truth, our Constitution, our republic, and all that America stands for around the world, a true beacon of liberty.”
Joining us tonight by phone is General Michael Flynn, who has served this nation with great distinction in the United States military and in his private life and political life as well.
General, first of all, it’s an honor to have you on the broadcast. And we are absolutely thrilled that President Trump took this action.
I know that there were reservations on your part and that of your defense counsel about accepting such a pardon.
Give us your state of mind and heart at this moment.
MICHAEL FLYNN, FORMER U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: Well, first, Lou, thanks very much for having me on your show and for your audience and for you personally.
You have been a beacon of light to this country, and have been really relentless in the pursuit of truth.
I honestly do not…
DOBBS: Well, thank you.
FLYNN: It has not sunk in yet, Lou. It will.
I would say, and I would just reemphasize some of the points that you made from my family’s letter, my faith in God. He’s an amazing spirit. He’s an amazing light in my life, the strength of my family, particularly my wife. We have been together for decades, since we were 13 years old.
And really what I call — I describe as true friends, Lou, patriots all across this country, friends that I have had from when I was a kid to those that I met in the military.
But the outreach by America to my family and I is just extraordinary. And it has really given me the resilience that I have been able to be blessed by to fight through this and get to the point where we got. And I really do appreciate the president for seeing what he and what the White House described as a pardon of innocence, because that’s exactly what it is.
DOBBS: It is that.
It is also — I know your defense attorney, Sidney Powell, who has worked tirelessly and relentlessly on your behalf. She at one point hated to see the president give a pardon. And I know that means that you were concerned about it as well.
How did you overcome that — that reticence? I will put it that way.
FLYNN: Well, I think, at a certain point in time, knowing myself, I’d have probably just continued to go and go and go.
But, as my family and I, particularly my wife and I, talked about it and honestly prayed over it, we came to the conclusion that this was the right moment in time to do this. The justice system that we were facing was just not going to function properly.
And it was very, very obvious that that was going to be the case. So, we went and made the decision that this was the direction that we wanted to go, and good enough for President Donald Trump for coming through. And we’re certainly grateful to him.
But, at the same time, we also know that this was a political persecution of the highest order, and not something that any American should ever have to go through.
DOBBS: We still don’t know the — the — well, the full extent of the reporting on the moment at which you were being framed in the White House by two FBI agents. We still haven’t seen Agent Pientka’s so-called 302, which is a summary of that interview.
It’s extraordinary that the Justice Department still withholds this, the FBI, so much about your case.
Who do you hold responsible for what they did to you, the persecution of General Michael Flynn for more than four years?
FLYNN: Well, I mean, I think, at the end of the day, people want me to say something — or, for years, do you — are you upset with President Trump? Are you upset with the White House?
And the answer is no. And the reason why, because this was a setup from the beginning. And it really — where accountability lies is, it lies in the previous administration. I mean, we all know that. The truth has been out now for well over a year…
FLYNN: … probably a year-and-a-half. And there’s been extraordinary, what everybody now knows as exculpatory evidence, right, that has come out.
And it’s come out through the…
FLYNN: … great fighting warrior strength of Sidney Powell.
And that type of information, you say to yourself, oh, my God, what was this — the previous administration doing during the campaign of Donald Trump, during the transition of Donald Trump, and then during — while he was in office?
I mean, this — and I said in my statement that this country should never be usurped by the power in our government and by the institutions of our government, Justice, federal law enforcement, intelligence, ever again.
And I know that the president feels the same way as I do. And we cannot have that in a country like we have, a beautiful, strong country like we have, and survive.
And, honestly, as I have gone through four years of this, Lou, so has the president. And, frankly, more damaging, has so — so has the country. And the country has been damaged by this.
FLYNN: And I think we’re still feeling the pain in this recent election.
DOBBS: Well, General Flynn has never flinched from a fight, and this time is no exception.
He’s engaged in a new battle, the battle for the White House and the future of this very republic.
We will continue our conversation with General Michael Flynn in just a moment. Please stay with us.
DOBBS: We’re back with General Michael Flynn.
And General Flynn, obviously, a decorated and distinguished military career, led not only the — well, the military intelligence agency, the DIA, but also the 82nd Airborne and the Special Operations, the Joint Special Operations group, and served in Afghanistan and Iraq.
You — the view is, you inspire great fear in the deep state and in the political — the politicized intelligence agencies of the Obama administration.
Do you think that is much of the reason that those forces went after you, the FBI bald-facedly framing you?
FLYNN: Well, I’ll tell you what, Lou.
I think that it’s that. And there are other considerations as well, that I know that they did not want me standing by — beside Donald Trump during his…
FLYNN: … certainly during his early days of his administration, because of the things that I — the systems that I know, the processes that I know, the — how the institutions function, particularly the intelligence community, particularly the Department of Defense, and even elements within the State Department, and other parts of our — other parts of our national security apparatus, which is both foreign and domestic.
So, it ranges. But it’s interesting that only — the transition conversation that President Obama had with President Trump, he only talked about two things, two people. One was Dear Leader Kim Jong-un, and the other was General Mike Flynn.
And it’s like, you say to yourself, what the heck, Lou, you know? I mean, it’s laughable, but it’s also very, very serious.
FLYNN: And I would like someone with some guts, because I will ask them if I ever see him, is, why?
Why did he — why was he so afraid, why was he so fearful, and why did he have to mention that to Donald Trump, as though Flynn is public enemy number one? And so there’ll be more to come out — to come of that in the days and weeks and months ahead, Lou. But it’s a fascinating part of history and certainly part of my story.
DOBBS: Well, we can’t wait to hear that part of the story, General.
Right now, we’re watching with interest your role in trying to make certain this president is not cheated from a second term in office. Tell us about how you’re applying your talents, your energy to support the president and the nation.
FLYNN: Well, Lou, I have a great network of people around the country that I know that are trying to help understand what has happened.
We have a crisis in confidence in the very fabric of our country right now, and that’s our election system, our one person, one vote privilege that we have. And that privilege is given to us by the many, many millions of people who have sacrificed their very lives over the history of our country to give us that ability to have one person, one vote in a very free and fair and transparent election process.
You know, when you think about it, in 2000, Bush-Gore, we were worried about one county, right, one county in that — down in Florida. Now we’re worried about and we’re — and we have problems in, I mean, literally probably hundreds of counties, six — at least six states, maybe eight states.
You know, for your audience, because I’m not sure — I’m paying attention to them, but I have watched segments and certainly the large segments as much as I can of Pennsylvania, the hearings that Mayor Giuliani has led…
FLYNN: … Pennsylvania, Arizona, Michigan. There’s one going on in Georgia. I caught a little bit of that today. And that’s probably going to last into tomorrow.
FLYNN: And then we got a hearing over in Nevada right now.
So, the one thing that stands out, that jumps out at every American, because Mayor Giuliani is only bringing in a snippet of these great patriots who are coming forward bravely to testify, to show testimony to the egregious, fraudulent, corrupt and, in some cases, criminal behavior.
That last gentleman you had on, I think Ethan Pease, the Postal Service worker. The woman yesterday — I think it was yesterday…
FLYNN: … up in Michigan who was the I.T. worker who worked for this Dominion outfit, she gave great testimony.
FLYNN: The truck driver in Pennsylvania who drove trucks across a state line, I think New York to Pennsylvania.
DOBBS: Jesse Morgan, right.
FLYNN: I mean, I think — I was told that driving ballots across a state line is a felony. He probably didn’t even know he was doing it.
But that kind of stuff — and then just listening to some of the stuff in Georgia, it’s just outrageous.
So, all that said…
FLYNN: I’m sorry. Go ahead, Lou.
DOBBS: No, I was just going to say, with all of that, are you as shocked as the rest…
DOBBS: … of us that the Justice Department, the FBI is doing nothing with these obvious acts of electoral fraud and coordinated, orchestrated acts to shut down the count in battleground states, at least five of them, almost simultaneously, and for the attorney general to say, there’s nothing here?
FLYNN: Yes, nothing here, yes.
DOBBS: And then take it back the next day because there was such an out — reaction from the American public.
FLYNN: It was outrageous. No, that was outrageous. That’s right. That’s right.
So, first of all, the American public right now has — and I don’t want to say zero, but damn close to zero confidence in — or they certainly have lost faith in many U.S. government institutions, our justice system, our federal law enforcement, elements of our intelligence community.
Well, we just can’t have that in our country, Lou. And this is just compounding it by what’s happening here. And when you — when people — and that — like, you asked that last gentleman, did you go to the FBI?
Well, the Postal Service has its own investigative services.
FLYNN: But we have — we have — I’m aware of people who are witnesses, one of whom is in ICU, another woman who’s had her house broken into twice, another woman who’s had her tires slashed, multiple threats to people’s lives, certainly to their job losses.
I mean, one of the — that woman up in Michigan talked about that yesterday. She had to move, change her phone number.
FLYNN: She’s got two children. I mean, geez.
So, we cannot have that. And I have at least one example, and it’s actually more than that, but I will just — one example of someone going to the FBI, reporting what is clearly a crime, and then never hearing back from them. So, I don’t want to leave it at that with you right now.
DOBBS: Yes, we have heard…
FLYNN: But I’m telling you, we cannot have that in this country in this crisis that we are going through right now.
And the last point that I will add, Lou, is that our elections — our election process should not be decided in the courts. It should not be decided in the court system. It should be decided by the people of this country.
FLYNN: And we have a constitutional process.
FLYNN: It’s a shame watching these legal battles that are going back and forth in the court system.
And, at the end of the day, the people of this country — and there’s a great — there’s a viral video out there of a great man, great gentleman up in Michigan who basically says, hey, we are not going to have confidence in this thing unless we get this right.
So, the governors of these various states, some of which I have mentioned, they’re going to have to have the guts to say, either we’re going to have a country and a fair and free election process, or we’re not.
And, if we don’t, I am afraid to think about what people will do in the future, because, again, we’re a constitutional republic. This is the — our ability to vote is a foundation.
FLYNN: Go ahead, Lou. Sorry.
DOBBS: Well, General, I know that you’re working as hard as you can to make certain that this president is not cheated of a second term, and that this nation is preserved.
You said that our election shouldn’t be decided in courts. And they sure as hell shouldn’t be decided in either Barcelona or Frankfurt, Germany.
General, it’s always great to talk with you. Thanks for being with us. And come back soon.
Pardon for Michael Flynn under discussion at the White House
Updated: 4:11 AM EST Nov 25, 2020Infinite Scroll EnabledPamela Brown and Jim Acosta, CNN
The White House has discussed a possible pardon for Michael Flynn, President Donald Trump’s first national security adviser, and others, three sources told CNN on Tuesday.Advertisement
However, those sources cautioned that Trump could change his mind about making such a move. There have been discussions about pardoning multiple people in the president’s orbit, the sources told CNN.
CNN previously reported that Flynn is among those likeliest to receive a pardon given his history as a Trump campaign associate who was convicted following special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. Others who could be under consideration are George Papadopoulos and Paul Manafort.
The president has long claimed — falsely — he and his campaign were illegally targeted and that campaign associates got into trouble only because of their association with him.
A possible pardon for Flynn would be the latest instance of the president using his expansive pardon power for a high-profile ally.
To date, Trump’s record on presidential pardons has been marked by personal connections, showmanship and an aversion to going through official government channels.
Beneficiaries have won clemency by getting their requests to Trump through friends, Fox News personalities or Hollywood celebrities who talk to the president. That unusual pipeline has worked for people like Joe Arpaio, a former Arizona sheriff, Dinesh D’Souza, right-wing commentator, and Michael Milken, a financier convicted of securities fraud.
Trump has also granted pardons at the urging of Kim Kardashian West, who made her case in the Oval Office. And earlier this year, he commuted the sentence of his longtime confidant Roger Stone, whose conviction stemmed from the Mueller investigation.
Flynn’s tenure at the White House lasted just a few weeks.
He pleaded guilty in late 2017 to making false claims to the FBI, but later disavowed his plea and tried to get the case thrown out. In a shocking twist this spring, the Justice Department abandoned the case, which is still tied up in legal limbo.
Throughout the saga, Flynn has narrowly avoided being sentenced.
He’s also become an emblem of Trump’s persistent efforts to undermine the Russia investigation and a conduit for testing the separation of powers between judges and prosecutors.
The Justice Department has argued Flynn never should have been questioned by the FBI in January 2017 and put in the position where he lied.
In September, Flynn and the Justice Department returned to court for the first time in months to argue his case should be dismissed. U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan, however, had previously made clear that he might consider sentencing Flynn for his lies.
In the last major hearing where Flynn appeared before Sullivan, in late 2018, the judge grew so incensed with Flynn’s crime and legal approach that he questioned whether the former national security adviser could have been charged with treason. Prosecutors said no.
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Who Is Michael Flynn? The Former Top Trump Aide Just Pleaded Guilty to Lying to the FBI
Former National Security Advisor Michael Flynnpleaded guilty Friday to making false statements to the FBI, making him the most significant figure in President Donald Trump’s orbit to face charges in special counsel Robert Mueller‘s investigation into Russian meddlingin the 2016 election.
Prosecutors accused Michael Flynn of “willfully and knowingly” making false statements to the FBI while serving in the Trump Administration. Court documents indicated Flynn was charged with a single count of making false statements after telling the FBI he had not discussed sanctions with the then-Russian ambassador to the United States.
As part of his plea agreement, Flynn has agreed to cooperate with the investigation and has also indicated that Trump transition officials directed his contacts with the Russians, according to the Associated Press, raising the troubling prospect for the White House that a former top Trump aide is ready to implicate people in Trump’s orbit.
Here’s what you need to know about Michael Flynn and the charge he faces.
Who is Michael Flynn?
Michael Flynn is a retired Lieutenant General in the United States Army, where he served from 1981 until 2014. While in the Army, General Flynn served in Iraq and Afghanistan, where he played key roles in shaping intelligence strategies related to counterterrorism. Flynn has served as the director of intelligence for the Joint Special Operations Command and the director of intelligence for U.S. Central Command. In 2012, President Barack Obama nominated him to serve as the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. He was in that role until 2014 when he retired. The Washington Postreported that Flynn was forced out due to a “chaotic” leadership style and “clashes” he had with other officials.ADVERTISING
After leaving the DIA, Michael Flynn emerged as a fierce critic of the Obama Administration’s foreign policy. He was later a key foreign policy adviser and surrogate during Trump’s presidential campaign, at one point leading a chant of “lock her up” against Trump’s opponent Hillary Clinton from the stage of the Republican National Convention.Michael Flynn Speaks at 2016 Republican National Conventionhttps://imasdk.googleapis.com/js/core/bridge3.427.1_en.html#goog_1413812001
Michael Flynn was tapped to serve as Trump’s National Security Advisor, but was forced out the role after only 24 days amid claims that he had misled Vice President Mike Pence and other officials about his contacts with Russians during the presidential transition.
What are the charges against Michael Flynn?
Michael Flynn, the charging documents say, “did willfully and knowingly make materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statements” to investigators in January. The documents indicated that Flynn falsely said that, during the transition, he didn’t ask Russia’s ambassador to avoid escalating a dispute over sanctions leveled by the Obama Administration in response to Russia’s election meddling. Trump, who has seethed over the investigation into Russia’s meddling as diminishing the legitimacy of his election victory, entered office hoping to cool tensions with Russia and its President Vladimir Putin.
What does the charge against Michael Flynn mean for Trump?
The charge could mean trouble for the White House because Michael Flynn worked for the Trump Administration itself, unlike former campaign chairman Paul Manafortand his partner Rick Gates, who were recently charged with money laundering and failing to register as foreign agents. They have pleaded not guilty, while another Trump campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos, has pleaded guilty and is cooperating with Mueller.
But because Manafort, Gates and Papadopoulos only served in the campaign and not in Trump’s Administration, the White House has sought to distance itself from them, for example dismissing Papadapoulous as simply a campaign “volunteer.”